Add in OLM Smoother and OLM Blur to TVPaint?

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Add in OLM Smoother and OLM Blur to TVPaint?

Post by TheQuestionMark » 19 Jun 2019, 05:26

I'm not sure how I found OLM Smoother or OLM Blur. But I heard the talk a year ago from on the thread on TVPaint. I would like to make it like Pokemon or Ms. Vampire Who Lives in My Neighborhood anime.
viewtopic.php?t=11922

Anyways can you add it to TVPaint? It's Open-Source you can use it. Couldn't you just copy the code and paste it in to TVPaint. And do a patch right away? It made me worried that nothing was done when they talked. So I put it in Feature and Improvement request. Here's the link on more information about OLM Smoother and OLM Blur.

https://olm.co.jp/rd/technology/tools/?lang=en

OLM Smoother
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OLM Blur
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For OLM Smoother they said it uses similar Morphological Antialiasing(MLAA). Can you add it to FX?.....I do have extra crazy idea too like use OLM Smoother as Preview in Preview Settings, but when you color/paint bucket or draw it act as Alias Lines. Is that possible to add it like preview without FX? And add OLM Smoother as Export Option such add in "Export as Preview Settings", that way I don't have to waste time re-proccessing from FX, or having to waste time double reprocessing both "FX + Exporting Video" for quality check and just to hit undo just to see, tweak, and redo it again.

I'm not sure OLM Smoother is similiar to Anti-Alias FX, because I don't use Photoshop or After Effects. Does anyone know, that they are same or different?
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Re: Add in OLM Smoother and OLM Blur to TVPaint?

Post by Hironori Takagi » 19 Jun 2019, 08:15

Below is a video that demonstrates Japanese animation anti-aliasing off coloring and After Effects anti-aliasing using TVPaint's JSON export.
(It is a video for Japanese users, so there are no English subtitles)


It is possible for TVPaint's anti-aliasing FX to be close to "OLM Smoother".
However, it requires careful handling to use.
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I think that FX corresponding to OLM blur does not exist in TVPaint.
Japanese users do not strongly demand this feature. It's almost impossible to do the final composition, not through After Effects.
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Re: Add in OLM Smoother and OLM Blur to TVPaint?

Post by TheQuestionMark » 19 Jun 2019, 09:36

Hironori Takagi wrote:
19 Jun 2019, 08:15
Below is a video that demonstrates Japanese animation anti-aliasing off coloring and After Effects anti-aliasing using TVPaint's JSON export.
(It is a video for Japanese users, so there are no English subtitles)


It is possible for TVPaint's anti-aliasing FX to be close to "OLM Smoother".
However, it requires careful handling to use.
20190619-2.png

I think that FX corresponding to OLM blur does not exist in TVPaint.
Japanese users do not strongly demand this feature. It's almost impossible to do the final composition, not through After Effects.

Do you use the default of 50 Horizontal/Vertical Anti-Alias and 50 Diagonal Anti-Alias or do you tweak it more? It's hard to see it on a 4K monitor the the effects of it when using Anti-Alias FX.

Hmmmm I'm thinking more what happen if you combine Anti-Alias FX with Gaussian Blur FX and save a preset? Would it look similar to OLM Smoother? Or it looks different or looks worser? I don't know which order to setup the FX. I can't use OLM Smoother, because I don't have Photoshop or After Effects so I can't see the difference.
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Re: Add in OLM Smoother and OLM Blur to TVPaint?

Post by Hironori Takagi » 19 Jun 2019, 10:21

I think that the initial value is enough, because items other than "Edge detection accuracy" do not know the effect even if you change them.
Whenever you want to add a blur effect to your drawing, perform blur after antialiasing.
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Re: Add in OLM Smoother and OLM Blur to TVPaint?

Post by TheQuestionMark » 19 Jun 2019, 11:13

Hironori Takagi wrote:
19 Jun 2019, 10:21
I think that the initial value is enough, because items other than "Edge detection accuracy" do not know the effect even if you change them.
Whenever you want to add a blur effect to your drawing, perform blur after antialiasing.
I did it the other way. It looks slightly like Granblue Fantasy Anime when you zoom in. Is that how they did it? I wonder do they do that in Granblue Fantasy. Seems like Granblue Fantasy was trying to make it like a bit like Disney's Merlin.
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Re: Add in OLM Smoother and OLM Blur to TVPaint?

Post by Hironori Takagi » 20 Jun 2019, 04:31

I am not involved in that anime, so I can not say the right way. Probably, place the texture in the black line area by ​​After Effects.
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Re: Add in OLM Smoother and OLM Blur to TVPaint?

Post by Hironori Takagi » 20 Jun 2019, 08:22

Sorry, TVPaint have "Line Colorize Enhansed" FX on 11.0.6 look like "OLM blur" .
The difference with OLM blur is that instead of applying blur between the two colors, blur is applied across fill lines.
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