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I think there needs to be an American version of TVP

Post by VGmaster9 » 04 Mar 2017, 02:02

Last year, a version of Toonz was made by a Japanese developer, called Opentoonz, which is an open source version of Toonz which is made by an Italian developer.

Point is, since the developer of TVP is French, is probably the reason why it isn't so popular in North America. However, programs like Flash/Animate CC and Toon Boom are way more popular, yet they are vector based. If there would be an American developer that could make their own version of TVP, it could probably give the software more recognition in North America, just like Japan did with OT. One big difference between the American version and the French version could be the American version having more features, such as 3d camera, 2d/3d integration, built-in compositing, particle effects, support for 8k and up, etc. Still, you would be allowed to import things from other software. It'd basically be a bit like Toon Boom Harmony and such, but still being primarily raster based and frame-by-frame like its French cousin.

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Re: I think there needs to be an American version of TVP

Post by Sewie » 04 Mar 2017, 11:14

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One big difference between the American version and the French version could be the American version having more features, such as 3d camera, 2d/3d integration, built-in compositing, particle effects, support for 8k and up, etc.
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And why exactly would the Americans have these extra features and the rest of the world not...? You believe that we don't need or use those tools?
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Re: I think there needs to be an American version of TVP

Post by D.T. Nethery » 04 Mar 2017, 13:15

Point is, since the developer of TVP is French, is probably the reason why it isn't so popular in North America. ... If there would be an American developer that could make their own version of TVP, it could probably give the software more recognition in North America
And they could name it something new and really cool sounding , less French than "TVPaint" ... something like "Mirage" , yeah, that's it , "Mirage" would be a great name for an American developer to market their own version of the software more widely in North America ... or "Aura" ... I like that sound of that one , too. What do you think ? :roll:
Maybe "FlashyToonKabooom" would be a good name for the new North American TVPaint ? (seeing as how Flash and Toonboom are so popular ?) I really don't think the country of origin has anything to do with it . It's about market share and the amount of funds available for advertising.
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Re: I think there needs to be an American version of TVP

Post by schwarzgrau » 04 Mar 2017, 15:15

D.T. Nethery wrote:
04 Mar 2017, 13:15
I really don't think the country of origin has anything to do with it . It's about market share and the amount of funds available for advertising.
Yea absolutely. If someone is interested in pixel based hand drawn animation sooner or later he will at least know there is TVpaint and that's the best choice, if not the only one. You can use Photoshop and addons like Animator's Toolbar or Anim Dessin to make it a little bit smaller pain in the ass, but there isn't any competition and too me it seems. And by the way, at least to me, it seems like TVPaint has become much more popular in the last four/five years, even animators which use Photoshop seems to mention it quite often. I don't see what TVPaint gather from it, even If I would love the name "FlashyToonKabooom".
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Re: I think there needs to be an American version of TVP

Post by VGmaster9 » 04 Mar 2017, 15:50

Sewie wrote:
04 Mar 2017, 11:14
And why exactly would the Americans have these extra features and the rest of the world not...? You believe that we don't need or use those tools?
The American version would still be available worldwide.
D.T. Nethery wrote:
04 Mar 2017, 13:15
And they could name it something new and really cool sounding , less French than "TVPaint" ... something like "Mirage" , yeah, that's it , "Mirage" would be a great name for an American developer to market their own version of the software more widely in North America ... or "Aura" ... I like that sound of that one , too. What do you think ?
While I actually had another name in mind, "Equinox", I think Mirage would be perfect, as it was previously called that.

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Re: I think there needs to be an American version of TVP

Post by Fabrice » 05 Mar 2017, 20:02

Hi VGmaster9,

I understand your point as you are probably new to TVPaint. Believe me : TVPaint is both used, known & popular in the US.
All major companies such as Disney, Blizzard, Blue-Sky, Warner Bros, etc. have their own licenses ... Same with schools : CalArts, Academy of Arts University, School of Visual Arts, to name a few.
There are also smaller sized studios (more focused on quality) like Tonko House.

Maybe you can't see TVPaint in the US because most of the US industry is focusing on 3D animation only. Here is maybe the problem.
But there is always 2D animation behind the scene and to do so, many people in the US use TVPaint.

About the name, if you translate roughly from english to french :
TV = "Télévision" in french.
Paint = "Peindre" in french.
The name "TVPaint" doesn't look french at all to french people. Some people in Europe still think that we are located in the US.

nb :
If you look at the TVPaint history, the country that was the most reluctant to buy TVPaint licenses was ... France. And the country that welcomed it immediately was ... USA.
Now we have a good balance between Americas, Asia, Europe. More and more productions are done "cross-continent" and it's very interesting to follow them.
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Re: I think there needs to be an American version of TVP

Post by slowtiger » 05 Mar 2017, 20:49

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Re: I think there needs to be an American version of TVP

Post by o0Ampy0o » 07 Mar 2017, 08:50

VGmaster9 wrote:
04 Mar 2017, 02:02
Last year, a version of Toonz was made by a Japanese developer, called Opentoonz, which is an open source version of Toonz which is made by an Italian developer.

Point is, since the developer of TVP is French, is probably the reason why it isn't so popular in North America. However, programs like Flash/Animate CC and Toon Boom are way more popular, yet they are vector based. If there would be an American developer that could make their own version of TVP, it could probably give the software more recognition in North America, just like Japan did with OT. One big difference between the American version and the French version could be the American version having more features, such as 3d camera, 2d/3d integration, built-in compositing, particle effects, support for 8k and up, etc. Still, you would be allowed to import things from other software. It'd basically be a bit like Toon Boom Harmony and such, but still being primarily raster based and frame-by-frame like its French cousin.
I don't see the connection between OpenToonz and increased popularity and functionality in an American version of TVPaint. The impetus behind awareness of OpenToonz is that it is free and open source. The version of Toonz that became open source includes less features than the origin software.

I am new to TVPaint just having acquired a pro license last month after experimenting with the trial and viewing a bunch tutorials but so far I have not encountered any hindrance attributable to country of origin. The interface and process seems as American/English-friendly as could be. The documentation and tutorials are available in English.

I frequently see or hear TVPaint mentioned when hand drawn frame-by-frame animation software is the topic. I suspect people with the void to fill would learn of it easily. I am just a hobbyist and I learned of it as quickly as I learned of Toon Boom and Flash.
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