I think the issue is more: how does TVP work with 200+ animators simultaneously, and for a few years running? I'm not saying it can't be done, but that it's not really set up for it (whereas something like Harmony is).
What would prevent using TVP on a network with 200+ artists?
You say you don't know that it can't be done and I don't know either.
I can't see why not.
User767 wrote: Note, too, that Harmony was able to deal with the people who wanted to draw on paper. I'm curious if the drawings were scanned and vectorized though. Wouldn't surprise me. They did add in Animo functions for the Disney-fied version (and, subsequently, the current release). Animo scanning always seemed to work really well for maintaining line character. Audio+synch support is great too.
Yes, of course the final line clean up drawings were scanned and vectorized in Toonboom. That's the whole thing that got this conversation started ... Marshall Toomey mentioned in that video clip that most of the artists who tested the paperless system drawing directly into Toonboom rejected it because it was too slow and cumbersome . The feeling among the majority of Disney artists was that the Toonboom digital drawing tools did not provide the same level of sensitivity as good old pencil and paper. So they animated and cleaned-up all the character animation on paper , which was then scanned into Toonboom Harmony for digital ink & paint.
Also, when you say "Note, too, that Harmony was able to deal with the people who wanted to draw on paper."
are you implying that TVP doesn't do that too ? But traditional drawings can be scanned and imported into TVP , so what's the difference ?
User767 wrote:Personally, I don't like the interface to TVP, and never have.
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. Do you like the ToonBoom Harmony/ToonBoom Animate Pro interface better ?
Just curious: Have you used both TVP and Toonboom ? ( I have. ) By the way, I feel it's important to note that I'm not
putting down ToonBoom. They have a versatile, powerful piece of software, no doubt about it. But for me it comes down to the drawing tools: TVP's are better and more "artist friendly" in my opinion.
User767 wrote:I know a number of people who share that feeling, and also many who love it.
You think some of them might be here on this forum ? (the ones who love it )
So you join a forum which is an online community of devoted TVP users, a software you say you don't like and never have . Ok... whatever.
User767 wrote:I do prefer to draw on paper. It's a different experience than staring at a glowing screen.
Well, we agree on something. It is certainly a different
experience. (but not necessarily a bad experience , imo) . But then , staring into the backlight on an animation disc for hours on end isn't so wonderful either, right ? However, I agree there's a lot to be said for continuing to work with traditional media . I don't feel that "paper vs. paperless" is a narrow either/or position I must be forced to choose between. I use both. (*cue Paul , enter stage left on white charger with sword drawn)
User767 wrote: 16 or 24 field paper is vastly different from a tablet.
24 field paper ? Good grief, man, are you mad ?!!
. I shuddered everytime I got a scene on 24 field . Impossible to flip it , awkward to draw on.
I hope I never see another piece of 24 field animation paper. 16 field is fine, though I actually prefer 12 field. My Cintiq tablet has a working area
somewhat larger than a 12 field piece of paper. No problem there. Our friends who prefer the Intous tablet also have a large working area equivalent to
between 12 - 16 field if they have a nice large monitor.
User767 wrote:But, I do use a variety of animation software as needed. What I prefer doesn't matter, does it? Shouldn't all art forms give way to the emulated version produced in software? We don't need oil paint on canvas-that can be done in TVP. Same with charcoal on paper, or acrylics or any other media, right? May as well scan and destroy all of the flat art in existence. They should do the same with the massive archives that Disney maintains. It would be much better if all of that was on a hard drive instead, right? Faster and more space efficient, after all.
Yes, yes, very droll ... I hear your sarcasm . I get it. Again, I'm not one who thinks that all traditional media should be done away with, so I'm not getting drawn into a "paper vs. paperless" debate.
(And from what I understand all the animation art in the Disney morgue has in fact been digitized for reference and archival purposes, though of course they haven't destroyed the original artwork after scanning it. )
User767 wrote:More important, for TVP-you don't have the right sales pitch for the people who write the purchase orders. Isn't it those brilliant people who decided that 2D animation should be eliminated from Disney? Aren't those the same brilliant people who decide that paperless is 'better'? They're the ones buying it. Unfortunately, people like John Lassiter are involved now, and they're [foolishly] supporting those horrible, slow pencils. (I'm being facetious here). I don't doubt that Toon Boom was chosen by some 'suits', and a couple of 'artists'. Toon Boom caters to both of them. It's not just the software, it's also the 'schmooze'. And they (toon boom) do both of those things pretty well. Obviously, it did what they needed it to do. If the show makes a profit, it was the right decision.
No comment really on what you've said here. Yes the "schmooze" you refer to is a factor. I've seen it up close.
User767 wrote:I couldn't care less what software anyone uses. I don't know why it matters, either. By the way, I'm still on Mirage on my personal machine. Haven't found it particularly enticing to 'move up' to TVP-though I've used it at other places. Sorry. This was a bit rambly, wasn't it?
I'm not at all surprised you haven't upgraded from Mirage to TVP (since you said you never liked the interface , why would you?) Mirage is basically the same interface as TVP, so I guess you don't use Mirage very much even if it is on your machine. On the other hand I did like Mirage, so I like TVP even better .
As you say , different people have different preferences. Ultimately this is no different than the arguments we used to have about what pencil was was the "best" pencil to use for animating. Kids just out of Sheridan or Cal Arts thought if they could just get the same pencil that Glen Keane uses they would be able to draw like Glen . Yada, yada ... whatever.
Use the tool that works best for you.