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Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by Forrest Crocker » 08 Aug 2020, 23:44

Hi folks. My name is Forrest Crocker, hope all of you are safe from the current plague that's taken the world. The thing I want to bring up is Video Editing software and the fact I've been making a very newbie mistake in my chosen field. I've been developing multiple animation projects but in all of them I've ran into the same problem of lag or long periods of loading because I was doing lengthy projects of 2 minutes or more. This was causing significant frustration and stress as my work flow was slowing down. I was trying to figure out what I've been doing wrong until suddenly on a forum for animations and software someone wrote "breaking down the animation project to scenes or smaller more manageable clips" and "put them together in a video editor afterwards". Upon seeing this I realized my error and slapped my hand to my face and committed 'seppuku' with my own pencil for my stupidity. So to finish up, and to help anyone who has faced this problem, what would the TVPaint community suggest is the best video editing software for animation projects?

The specs below show I'm a mac user but if anyone can suggest any video editing software that is either free or budget friendly I would appreciate that. Thank you for reading and your time. Please be safe during these trying times.

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• What is your OS and its version:
Mac 10.14.6 Mojave

• What is your OS architecture (32 or 64 bit) + CPU type and amount of RAM:
2.5 GHz intel Core i5 16 GB Ram 1600 MHz DDR3

• What is your software version:
TvPaint Animation 11 Pro

• What is your software edition (Standard or Professional)
Pro

• For the Professional Edition : What is the architecture (32 or 64 bit) ?
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• What is your Wacom (or other brand) Tablet and drivers version ?
13 inch Cintiq

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Re: Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by Svengali » 09 Aug 2020, 03:48

I think you'll get some good suggestions here from forum members, but you might try googling "free NLE software" which, among other sites, turned up the following link... "VideoHelp.com"

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Re: Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by daninski » 09 Aug 2020, 05:35

iMovie is free on OSX too. It's not to everyones taste but it's free and it's a video editor :)
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Re: Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by Forrest Crocker » 09 Aug 2020, 06:11

Svengali wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 03:48
I think you'll get some good suggestions here from forum members, but you might try googling "free NLE software" which, among other sites, turned up the following link... "VideoHelp.com"

sven
Thank you for showing me that link! I've been looking online through google but sometimes I get such strange answers instead of what I'm actually looking for.

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Re: Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by Forrest Crocker » 09 Aug 2020, 06:13

daninski wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 05:35
iMovie is free on OSX too. It's not to everyones taste but it's free and it's a video editor :)
Thank you and you're right. I was thinking of using IMovie but only as my last resort if there wasn't a better option to consider.

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Re: Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by slowtiger » 09 Aug 2020, 08:56

It all depends on what you need. If you animate just for fun, iMovie is good enough. If you animate for money, you'll need something more professional with more options (different formats, codes, etc). The high end would be Final Cut, which is about 600.- € here. In between there are several solutions.

I suggest you make a list of what you really need in any case, then check programs against it.
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Re: Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by D.T. Nethery » 09 Aug 2020, 16:12

Forrest Crocker wrote:
08 Aug 2020, 23:44
I've been developing multiple animation projects but in all of them I've ran into the same problem of lag or long periods of loading because I was doing lengthy projects of 2 minutes or more. This was causing significant frustration and stress as my work flow was slowing down. I was trying to figure out what I've been doing wrong until suddenly on a forum for animations and software someone wrote "breaking down the animation project to scenes or smaller more manageable clips" and "put them together in a video editor afterwards".
If all you need to do is separate out your scenes/clips into individual TVPaint projects (to keep the file sizes from becoming too large) , and then export each scene as a .MOV file , and then assemble each of those .MOV files into the correct running order, I would also recommend iMovie for that purpose (and iMovie will allow you to add some simple transitional effects like fade-ins/fade-outs and cross-dissolves , and allow some simple sound editing).

You could also use the free version of Davinci Resolve to edit your scenes together: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/produc ... solve/edit
(NOTE: in the free version of Davinci Resolve not all effects are available , but the free version is still quite useful.)
The free DaVinci Resolve is a full professional editing and color grading system that is suitable for independent users working on SD, HD and Ultra HD projects. DaVinci Resolve is the world’s first solution that combines professional offline and online editing, color correction, audio post production and now visual effects all in one software tool! You get unlimited creative flexibility because DaVinci Resolve makes it easy for individual artists to explore different toolsets. (Full Studio Edition costs $300) .
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Re: Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by Forrest Crocker » 09 Aug 2020, 19:51

slowtiger wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 08:56
It all depends on what you need. If you animate just for fun, iMovie is good enough. If you animate for money, you'll need something more professional with more options (different formats, codes, etc). The high end would be Final Cut, which is about 600.- € here. In between there are several solutions.

I suggest you make a list of what you really need in any case, then check programs against it.
It's a mix of fun and one day hoping I get into the business because someone saw my portfolio kinda thing, but your right iMovie should be my go to till I've made a more professional background for myself. Thank you for the suggestion and I'm definitely starting a check list to find the right software.

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Re: Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by Forrest Crocker » 09 Aug 2020, 19:58

D.T. Nethery wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 16:12
Forrest Crocker wrote:
08 Aug 2020, 23:44
I've been developing multiple animation projects but in all of them I've ran into the same problem of lag or long periods of loading because I was doing lengthy projects of 2 minutes or more. This was causing significant frustration and stress as my work flow was slowing down. I was trying to figure out what I've been doing wrong until suddenly on a forum for animations and software someone wrote "breaking down the animation project to scenes or smaller more manageable clips" and "put them together in a video editor afterwards".
If all you need to do is separate out your scenes/clips into individual TVPaint projects (to keep the file sizes from becoming too large) , and then export each scene as a .MOV file , and then assemble each of those .MOV files into the correct running order, I would also recommend iMovie for that purpose (and iMovie will allow you to add some simple transitional effects like fade-ins/fade-outs and cross-dissolves , and allow some simple sound editing).

You could also use the free version of Davinci Resolve to edit your scenes together: https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/produc ... solve/edit
(NOTE: in the free version of Davinci Resolve not all effects are available , but the free version is still quite useful.)
The free DaVinci Resolve is a full professional editing and color grading system that is suitable for independent users working on SD, HD and Ultra HD projects. DaVinci Resolve is the world’s first solution that combines professional offline and online editing, color correction, audio post production and now visual effects all in one software tool! You get unlimited creative flexibility because DaVinci Resolve makes it easy for individual artists to explore different toolsets. (Full Studio Edition costs $300) .
Again I'm kicking myself for my lack of not noticing the obvious of breaking down the project to cells. iMovie will be my go to at this point but I'm definitely keeping DaVinci Resolve software on the top of the list for potential upgrade. Thank you for your help!

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Re: Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by D.T. Nethery » 17 Aug 2020, 16:17

Forrest Crocker wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 19:58
iMovie will be my go to at this point but I'm definitely keeping DaVinci Resolve software on the top of the list for potential upgrade. Thank you for your help!
Something I thought of to watch out for with iMovie is to make sure you've got it set to export at 24 frames per second (assuming your original .mov files from TVPaint are also 24 FPS) because if I recall correctly iMovie will sometimes default to 29.97 FPS. Although it's been a while since I used iMovie , so I just did a quick test with the current version of iMovie and it seemed to respect the original frame rate . I imported two clips into iMovie , then exported them as a new movie , and the resulting .mp4 file retained the 24 fps running speed , so that's good. However , on a second test it changed the frame rate on the exported .mp4 to 23.98 FPS , so be aware of that. (I'm honestly not sure why some movie files use the 23.98 FPS speed , must be a video editing thing. There's no discernible difference between a movie playing back at 24 FPS and 23.98 FPS, so I don't know if it matters , but is something to be aware of if it does matter to you.)

One other thing I noticed is that iMovie defaults to 16:9 aspect ratio, so if your animation clips are at a different aspect ratio they will be cropped to 16:9. You can adjust the framing in iMovie under the "Adjust" menu , so for example if your clip is in 4:3 aspect ratio you can change it in iMovie to display the full frame at 4:3 aspect ratio , however when you export it iMovie will apply black bars on either side so the .mp4 is in 16:9 , but your images will display at 4:3 aspect (within the black "pillar boxes" on either side). Fortunately most projects are originated in 16:9 aspect ratio , so that's probably not going to be an issue.
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Re: Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by artfx » 29 Aug 2020, 17:49

slowtiger wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 08:56
It all depends on what you need. If you animate just for fun, iMovie is good enough. If you animate for money, you'll need something more professional with more options (different formats, codes, etc). The high end would be Final Cut, which is about 600.- € here. In between there are several solutions.

I suggest you make a list of what you really need in any case, then check programs against it.
That's strange. I am pretty sure it's on $300 USD for me. Then again, I used to have a license a long time ago (like FCP 7 maybe 15 years ago) so I don't know if that makes a difference. I can't imagine Apple still remembers that let alone would take that into account.
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17 Aug 2020, 16:17
(I'm honestly not sure why some movie files use the 23.98 FPS speed , must be a video editing thing. There's no discernible difference between a movie playing back at 24 FPS and 23.98 FPS, so I don't know if it matters , but is something to be aware of if it does matter to you.)
There is a discernible difference if your audio ends up slightly off on a longer project. If I remember correctly, 23.98 fps is the actual rate at which films plays, just like 29.97 fps, rather than 30, is the actual rate at which video plays. I might be remembering wrong though. I am certain, though, that if not set correctly, the audio will be slightly off on a long project.
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Re: Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by slowtiger » 29 Aug 2020, 18:04

Software prices are quite different between US and Europe. (600.- € includes 19% VAT tax.)
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Re: Recommended Video Editing Software

Post by Elizabeth1957 » 31 Aug 2020, 10:31

I'm not sure how it works on MacOS, but on Windows and Linux I must say DaVinci Resolve works great. It offers many options and it can replace many expensive video editing programs. It has a long learning curve, but in this case I'd say it's worth spending a bit more time to learn how it may or may not suit you and your needs. I used to use Sony Vegas Pro, but I must admit saving money for new features is absolutely worth it. The best thing about it is that it's free :D

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